Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

tubescape wrote:

A little different perspective for you Stoker -
I have a great appreciation for the history of the sport and was right there in my 20's, bodyboarding nearly everyday in the mid-90s when NF was coming up and pumping out insane stoke and so it definitely has a spot in heart.  But to be completely honest, at 40, with full-time good job, a couple of kids, and the beach steps from my house, spending time watching surf videos is the last thing on my mind when I get a spare minute.  Sure, I like a good 2-4min clip on surfline or the video eye candy thread of this site, but that's all the surf porn I need.  I tried watching some of the Inside and Enough Said recently, and I was over it in 10 min (I freakin' loved those movies as a single guy surfing all the time). 

I would, however, turn out for a premier party of a new documentary on the history of NF and/or Paul Roach and pay you $10-15, drink some brew with my fellow boogies and possibly buy a cap or a t-shirt.  But the old stuff, its just clutter for me now, even as a digital download.  The memories are there and living well inside me.  I held on to Bodyboarding mags for 15-20 years and after not looking at them for about 10 of those years, handed them off. 

I'd also note that the last time I got all pumped up for a boogie video was for Fire.  I bought it on DVD, watched it 1.5 times and that's it.  Considered tossing it recently during a house cleaning, but kept it and now it just sits burried deeper.

I completely get where you are coming from.
But... i am not trying to necessarily make No Friends videos again. I don't really want to try and make it what it was. Like some people have told me, that ship has sailed and i agree. I think my main goal is to just not let No Friends die like it is. From there we will see what comes of it. I don't think it would ever be what it was but if it can at least be "something" again that would be great. And to just do fun stuff again. I don't think many people know where i am coming from when i say all of this. I am not trying to make some new bodyboarding company again. Even to just work on this as a side project with other video projects i have going would be great. Like is said, i went through some serious crap the last couple of years and i just want to do positive and creative things again. Life is to short to be stressed or depressed on crappy things in this life.

With the documentaries, I think it is a story that needs to be told. I am not asking anyone to watch this video over and over again. There are plenty of kids these days making cool videos for that purpose. I want to make something of meaning. And trust me, there is a story to be told and its great. I think everyone would agree with that.
And yeah, spend a little bit on a documentary or a shirt/hat, drink some beer, create fun and creative stuff, and hang out. Thats what its all about, right?
The digital downloads is for everyone as much as it is for me. To preserve what i created. Back in the day, shot on Hi8, transferred to Beta SP, edited on Avid at a lower res and outputted to Beta SP, then to VHS. Crap. Then the DVD masters were MPEG2 at 7.0Mbps. Crap. Plus all old MP3 quality at like 128-192kbps. Crap.
I want to make the downloads for better quality and to preserve it at its original quality.

And i would add that i would not be throwing my old stuff away like you did. And that is the reason why i still have my original 8mm/Hi8mm/MiniDV/Super8/16mm/CDR/DVDR/Harddrive backups all preserved and ready to remaster.
You'd be amazed at the crap i have on my computer right now.

Stoker

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

tubenet wrote:

I've got the No Friends movies on dvd and there's the No Friends Vimeo account with a lot of the sections from NF1 & 2 so I'm good with that. All I want is a NF documentary, a Roach documentary and some clothes. Some of the best parts of movies like The Lackey Project and The Experiment trips from Riptide (the Indo trip with Hardy, Hubb, Rawlins and Botha, and then the World Trip  with Lackey, Kingy, Player and Hardy) were the rider interviews and behind the scenes stuff.

If you could link up with the Aussies, Euros and South Americans via social media (Facebook, Twitter and Instagram) I'm pretty confident that you'd get enough support for your Kickstarter. Those are the main hubs for bodyboarding these days.


If you like that extras stuff then you will be blown away at all the stuff i still have. I have all the original Hi8/8mm, etc tapes.
The Vimeo stuff is horrible. All of that would be coming down. And yeah, just the documentaries and some basic clothes to start would be awesome. I have had a lot of support so far so we will see.
A lot of people have told that what i am doing reminds them of pre No Friends in 1997. Exactly whats in order.
A lot of people have been hitting me up from all over so we will see where it takes me.

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Jay Reale wrote:

Stoker, if $25 from 2,000 people is your goal, I think that's possible. Best of luck, and of course we'll help promote it.  We sold A LOT of NF vids/gear back in the day!  We still have one or two items in the warehouse I think.

We will see. That might be a lot though, who knows. In a day where there is a quick fix from YouTube or wherever, i don't know if its possible. But like i said, its worth a shot. If it doesn't get funded, i can't do it.

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

the no friends movies/ clothing  was a huge part of me and my friends bodyboarding world. we couldn't wait to get the newest videos or the newest shirts. PLEASE BRING BACK THE VIDEOS! BOX SET WOULD BE FUCKING GREAT

WHEN THE FUCK DID WE GET ICE CREAM. WAS I ASLEEP?

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

xnofriendsx wrote:

And trust me, there is a story to be told and its great. I think everyone would agree with that...You'd be amazed at the crap i have on my computer right now.

dropknee805 wrote:

BOX SET WOULD BE FUCKING GREAT

The NF doc/story and a box set sounds amazing, I would absolutely spend $ for those

That rug really held the room together.

41

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

xnofriendsx wrote:

And i would add that i would not be throwing my old stuff away like you did. And that is the reason why i still have my original 8mm/Hi8mm/MiniDV/Super8/16mm/CDR/DVDR/Harddrive backups all preserved and ready to remaster.
You'd be amazed at the crap i have on my computer right now.

oh my...

tubescape wrote:

I tried watching some of the Inside and Enough Said recently, and I was over it in 10 min (I freakin' loved those movies as a single guy surfing all the time).

bummer.

what good fun

42 (edited by tubenet 05.24.15 14:10)

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

I watched The Bones Brigade documentary on the weekend. If anybody is a fan of skateboarding, action sports or just seeing how world class athletes like Tony Hawk and Steve Caballero started, I highly recommend it.

Stoker, I don't want to tell you what to do, but from a fan point of view, if a NF documentary was made in a similar fashion as a history piece or timeline of their lives as individuals and as a team...I'd be over the moon.

Show how NF came to fruition and talk about each rider's history from how they started out as groms, to becoming professionals, then going their separate ways, and what they're doing in their lives now. Any funny or controversial stories from trips or industry troubles with magazines. And get other riders from outside NF to talk about them like Maligro, Vargas, Botha, McGee, Booth, Hardy, etc.

Anyways just putting it out there while I've got these thoughts in my head. I'm fucking amped for this!

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

I hope & pray this comes to fruition. A lot of my NF DVDs are scratched up pretty bad, and at the time I couldn't afford all of the ones I wanted (18, broke and trying to travel). Heck I would love to get some fresh NF shirts, too! All of mine are lost, I only have one left when I had like 10. Left them at the beach, tore them up, whatever. Supporter over here!

44

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Botha segment is going to be mental

Part sucka,part wimp,= simp.....all bad news my nigga.

45

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Ron Lawl wrote:

Botha segment is going to be mental


HAHA...he probably warrants his own video.

FUCK L.A.

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

RUSTY wrote:
Ron Lawl wrote:

Botha segment is going to be mental


HAHA...he probably warrants his own video.

Originally back in 2001 there was talk of doing a video on Andre Botha. I made that video called Thoughts To Myself: Chapter 81 if anyone remembers it. We filmed some stuff of him in NYC the week of 9/11.
Maybe someday....

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

47

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

"We filmed some stuff of him in NYC the week of 9/11. Maybe someday..."

Shit like that has me salivating for this project to get going.

what good fun

48 (edited by dannyb2005 05.28.15 05:40)

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

xnofriendsx wrote:

I think my main goal is to just not let No Friends die like it is.


You'd be amazed at the crap i have on my computer right now.

Stoker

That's something I would love to see. It seems that it just sort of fizzled. I'd love to see some behind the scenes, some story telling about some of the crazy trips with McBride, Botha, Hubbards, Players, Roach, Skipp, Virtue, all those OGs and just hear the story of NF & give it some closure. I've always loved the sport, but every video is largely in part, the same. It's just surf porn (not that I don't love that), but I'd love to get some content, some stories & something different.

49

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

RUSTY wrote:
Ron Lawl wrote:

Botha segment is going to be mental


HAHA...he probably warrants his own video.

50 (edited by mixelplix 05.28.15 14:24)

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Sick idea, but it seems like a lot of work to put something together of the caliber I know you would demand from yourself.

Is No Friends officially dead?

Where's McBride working these days?
Skipp?
Roach?
Nelz?

Looks like Manny V figured out how to get others to pay his trips
http://www.mannyvtours.com/

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

I'd rather watch a documentary on Barba than Roach.

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

mixelplix wrote:

Sick idea, but it seems like a lot of work to put something together of the caliber I know you would demand from yourself.

Is No Friends officially dead?

Where's McBride working these days?
Skipp?
Roach?
Nelz?

Looks like Manny V figured out how to get others to pay his trips
http://www.mannyvtours.com/

NF site hasn't been updated for over a year. 
McBride, last I heard, was living in Los Osos area doing silkscreening.
Roach, still working construction I think.
Nelz works for Wahoo International.
Manny has had Mannyvtours for years.  He's now working for Youriding.com

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

souljoboi wrote:

I'd rather watch a documentary on Barba than Roach.

I think both would be good tv, although roach had a much bigger impact on bodyboarding and with the perception of dk riders and what was possible. He really took DK to the next level and I don't think much has changed in DK since the Roach era.

54

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

souljoboi wrote:

I'd rather watch a documentary on Barba than Roach.

that be cool!

55

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

mixelplix wrote:
souljoboi wrote:

I'd rather watch a documentary on Barba than Roach.

I think both would be good tv, although roach had a much bigger impact on bodyboarding and with the perception of dk riders and what was possible. He really took DK to the next level and I don't think much has changed in DK since the Roach era.

i respectfully disagree, barba's impact (before my time) seemed to be quite huge and his enigmatic persona made him a larger than life legend for a while.

w/ regards to dk progress, have you not seen bud or dave hubbard surfing lately? 

either way i would fork over some coin to watch a NF and/or roach documentary. nf2 is why i chose to start bodyboarding instead of stand up surfing regularly. thanks for your contributions stoker, they are greatly appreciated as i'm sure you can see.

56

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

a Wonton Doco is my dream

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

mixelplix wrote:

Sick idea, but it seems like a lot of work to put something together of the caliber I know you would demand from yourself.

Is No Friends officially dead?

Where's McBride working these days?
Skipp?
Roach?
Nelz?

Looks like Manny V figured out how to get others to pay his trips
http://www.mannyvtours.com/

If anyone has ever seen me work they know i am a backup master. Apart from pre 1999 (Final Cut 1.0) videos i have every FCP project file backed up. Load up project, reconnect media. Plus all 8mm/Hi8/Super8/16mm/MiniDV, etc.
Lots of work still but worth it to preserve it.

All your questions are reasons why i am trying to do this documentary and rekindle the fire.

Stoker

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

souljoboi wrote:

I'd rather watch a documentary on Barba than Roach.

He warrants his own as well. So do many riders. Surfing has done legit docs for years, bodyboarding has lagged really bad on this.

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

59 (edited by xnofriendsx 05.29.15 16:03)

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

sbsurfer wrote:
mixelplix wrote:
souljoboi wrote:

I'd rather watch a documentary on Barba than Roach.

I think both would be good tv, although roach had a much bigger impact on bodyboarding and with the perception of dk riders and what was possible. He really took DK to the next level and I don't think much has changed in DK since the Roach era.

i respectfully disagree, barba's impact (before my time) seemed to be quite huge and his enigmatic persona made him a larger than life legend for a while.

w/ regards to dk progress, have you not seen bud or dave hubbard surfing lately? 

either way i would fork over some coin to watch a NF and/or roach documentary. nf2 is why i chose to start bodyboarding instead of stand up surfing regularly. thanks for your contributions stoker, they are greatly appreciated as i'm sure you can see.

Barba was not international like Roach but there was always a mystique with him. Scotty has the good footage of him.
Roach was doing what Dubb and others are doing now back in 1992. WAY ahead of his time.
Thanks for the compliments though, hopefully i can continue to contribute.

Stoker

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Stoker, how many hard drives have you gone through since the early days of FCP? I still have a ton of FCP project files but have lost a ton of the media. It's hard to keep up backing up old external drives and I've probably gone through 5 or so computers as well..I recently started putting all my files on dropbox as backup, which is cool but also scares me.

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

ryanthompson wrote:

Stoker, how many hard drives have you gone through since the early days of FCP? I still have a ton of FCP project files but have lost a ton of the media. It's hard to keep up backing up old external drives and I've probably gone through 5 or so computers as well..I recently started putting all my files on dropbox as backup, which is cool but also scares me.

I have just about every single FCP project file back to 2000. Unfortunately I didnt back up NF2 in 1999 like how I did from 2000 on. All media too. I backed up everything. You should see the crap I am going through right now. Pays to backup. Now pre-2000 is a different story but I do have all the hi8 tapes and such. Playing fine for the most part 20+ years later.
I still have old fw400, fw800, USB drives, etc. Working on a RAID5 8Tb now but plenty of usb3.0 5tb, 3Tb, etc. Stuff is cheap these days. $129 for 5tb.
Bail Dropbox. A big no no. Plus slow. Externals and Super Duper.

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

I have a ton of old externals lying around with footage, photos, and music from the last decade. Some of them don't start up though! For the most part Super Duper or Carbon Copy Cloner has worked well to back up old drives to newer drives.
Crazy how cheap it all is now! And at one point how big 40-100 gb was. LOL

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

ryanthompson wrote:

I have a ton of old externals lying around with footage, photos, and music from the last decade. Some of them don't start up though! For the most part Super Duper or Carbon Copy Cloner has worked well to back up old drives to newer drives.
Crazy how cheap it all is now! And at one point how big 40-100 gb was. LOL

Are those externals in enclosures? Just take the drive out and into a working enclosure or buy one. Cheap. So many docks you can buy to so that the SATA drive just drops right in. If the media is good or important there is usually a way to get it off the drive.
Yeah back in 1999, our G3 333mhz Mac had a 9Gb internal and each 20Gb internal extra was $1000. We had like 49Gb. Our FCP 1.0 setup for that machine was $10k.

"You never know how much you truly believe in anything until its truth OR falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you" CS Lewis

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

To bad all the fancy video cameras now were not around back then. but then again, i kind of like the look of the older footage i see.

Was NF ever profitable at one point? Always thought it was great name for a surf clothing company. but you kept it real and only for bodyboarding. Mad respect for doing that, even it wasn't planned that way. figured you would be on one of the big dogs if you had expanded out to other industries like deep see fishing, moto-x and all those xsports stuff.

65 (edited by Ozoldboy 05.31.15 03:39)

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Speaking from an aussie perspective. History is big for us. But there is a new generation who dont know household names such as Roach, Barba, Manny Vargas, Skipper. Do you know that I talk to groms and they have no idea who Skipper is? Manta boards are a joke in australia. Anyone that rides them might has well have bought one from whammo at a supermarket. I havent bought a skipp board since LMNOP because the Manta ones are a piece of shit that dont match his template at all.
I remember going to the NF 10 premier, the 10 year anniversary and walking out going "what the hell" and thats the polite version.  The chance to do something amazing was missed. That is why the Skid kids movie is going to be so good.
Does anyone remember Ben Holland? He was amazing, prone and drop knee he was at another level, and then he vanished.
I loved NF clothing, I loved the team. I loved all the movies.
I think Dre need his own movie but that would be an Empire/662 mob thing.
So my suggestion would be do a round up of team riders, show them then, show them now, get them talking about where their life went.. is going. And throw in some retro inspired tshirts to go with it.
And also if anyone wants to see movies that remind me of NF videos check our Richard Lornies, Chout and Chout the World, both epic bodyboard movies, full of Hubb, Houston and Romero footage.

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Stoker - bodyboarders in CA are fucking neanderthals. I would not waste your time to do anything for the sport here. It's basically dead. You're beyond talented and should focus your energy elsewhere. You're a legend and should just keep doing your own thing.

Jared Brown is a pussy

67

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Erica Schneekloth wrote:

Stoker - bodyboarders in CA are fucking neanderthals.


jesus, troll much dude ?

68

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Ben Holland ruled, my favourite for so long, a competition machine. No one speaks of him, until now.

69

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

Erica Schneekloth wrote:

Stoker - bodyboarders in CA are fucking neanderthals. I would not waste your time to do anything for the sport here. It's basically dead.

Couldn't agree more.  But don't you think there is enough support in Australia (spongers aged 25-45) that would support anything NF related? I got a few messages from friends in England that don't body board anymore and they were flipping out about the possibility of what Stoker wants to do...

With that said, I still think the Kickstarter thing might work... $20 from 2000 spongers globally... might be possible.

"Perhaps you would like to enter your favourite quote or your star sign."  - Camel getting all sentimental

Re: No Friends / Roach Documentary - Stoker doing videos again....

There are still 2000 spongers in the world who care? Bahaha. I would guess 500 tops.